Friday, November 30, 2012

Roots Salutes the Saxophone

Our good buddy Bluebird is back with another lovely goodie from Nathan Davis' Roots project. This time Nathans' front line teammates are Sam Rivers, Arthur Blythe and Chico Freeman! WHEW!!

While the tunes are all mainstream, this particular ensemble plays much closer to the 'edge', for lack of a better term. That shouldn't be particularly surprising, given that the participants all have pretty fair free jazz backgrounds. This was actually the first Roots ensemble recorded live in 1991. It is a riveting and fun ride start to finish!

"Recorded at the Leverkusen Jazz Festival, where this outstanding all-star saxophone repertory band made its début in 1991, this album features ROOTS celebrating some of the great saxophonists in jazz with memorable versions of the great compositions with which they are associated.
"What ROOTS celebrates so enjoyably... is the sheer vitality, adaptability and diversity of the jazz tradition itself, providing as it does an ever-expanding body of work to be interpreted anew by each succeeding generation of musicians."

(Chris Parker, Jazz Correspondent , Daily Telegraph Weekend)

An Ill Wind Blows Yet Again

It would appear fellow citizens of the blogworld that the picnic with the refreshingly new Rapidshare, with increased speeds and quick stable uploads, is already over with their imposition of new limits on daily traffic. All free accounts are now limited to 1 GB per day and even paid accounts get only 30 GB. That pretty much ends their usefulness. EVERYONE WITH A PAID RAPIDSHARE ACCOUNT SHOULD IMMEDIATELY DEMAND A REFUND OF THE UNUSED PORTION OF THEIR SUBSCRIPTION.

Most of the other options aren't looking too good either, even if you work with in the account size limitations at Mediafire by deleting older shares to make way for new ones, they are actively searching for titles and deleting whole accounts when they find them. Now they have some sot of front-end filter too.

I'll go back to Embedupload for the time being but most of the options (even RapidGator and Zippyfile) disappear pretty quickly and I, for one, have run out of patience with restoring links and don't intend to do it anymore. At the very least we will have to accept sharing links as a temporary exercise if at all.

I am afraid my friends we are approaching the end of an era. When they attacked the file hosters, they chose the right target. Of course how daily use and account size limitations will affect their precious "Cloud" concept is yet to be seen. It would appear to me to make it far less attractive.

I'll be looking into what the few remaining options might be, but I don't expect any miracle solutions. Please don't bother with reporting missing or limited links, when they are gone they are gone.

I'm not yet sure what the impact will be on my friends and co-authors here in our little circle of blogs, but it does not look good. Grumpy is a Rapidshare Pro account guy but he will use up 30GB in an hour or two. Poppachubby just moved to Rapidshare and will have the same issues. I know both Chris and Rab have been having a terrible time too.

It is sad to say but we may be looking at the end soon. We will all have plenty of time to listen to all that downloaded because we will suddenly have a lot more free time. I'm not cashing in yet but it doesn't look good. Of course should anyone find another temporary solution let us know.

Thursday, November 29, 2012

Hermeto Pascoal - Hermeto

Hermeto Pascoal - Hermeto
Muse 5086, 1972

1. Mourning [Velório] (Hermeto Pascoal)
2. Pliers [Alicate] (Hermeto Pascoal)
3. Bells [Guizos] (Hermeto Pascoal)
4. Yogurt [Coalhada] (Hermeto Pascoal)
5. The Marianas [As Marianas] (Hermeto Pascoal)
6. Hermeto (Hermeto Pascoal)
7. The love flower [Flor do Amor] (José Neto Pascoal)
8. Fabiola (Hermeto Pascoal)

Hermeto Pascoal - composer, arranger, keyboards, flutes .
Joe Farrell, Jerry Dodgion, Arthur Clarke, Hubert Laws, Maurice Smith, Harold Jones,Leon Cohen,Jerome Richardson - woodwinds
Garnet Brown, Wayne Andre, Jack Jeffers, Richard Hixson - trombones
Thad Jones, Joe Newman, Gene Young, Ernie Royal, Melvin Davis - trumpets
Don Butterfield - tuba
Ron Carter - bass
Airto Moreira - percussion, drums
Flora Purim - vocal (1,2,5)

Johnny Lytle - Everything Must Change

Johnny Lytle - Everything Must Change
Muse 5158, 1977

A1 Send In The Clowns     5:40    
A2 Where Or When     4:32    
A3 The Village Caller     4:40    
B1 Everything Must Change     3:50    
B2 Lela  10:08    
    Saxophone – Dave Schnitter*
B3 It Wasn't Easy     4:52    



    Arranged By – Paul Marshall (3)
    Bass – George Duvivier
    Drums – Al Foster
    Engineer – Rudy Van Gelder
    Harp – Robbin Gordon
    Keyboards – John Patton
    Producer – Ozzie Cadena
    Vibraphone – Johnny Lytle

There is a fair amount of late 70's 'cheese' spread all over most of the tracks here but the 10 minute Lela with saxophonist Dave Schnitter on board is thankfully free of both synthesizer and harp which gives the album one strong saving grace. The remake of Village Caller may be worth saving for a playlist but this is one where you may well drop those two tracks into a compilation and dispense with the rest. Not even George Duvivier is enough to save the rest.

Sunday, November 25, 2012

RIP Ted Curson and Pete La Roca

Never to be forgotten...

April 7, 1938 – November 20, 2012


June 3, 1935 – November 4, 2012




Thursday, November 22, 2012

Ted Curson & Company - Jubilant Power (1976) [vinyl>flac]

This post is a tribute to Ted Curson who passed away early this month. RIP

Jubilant Power gives listeners an excellent sampling of the musical talents of Ted Curson. A versatile trumpeter who can play from straight ahead bop to free improvisations and anything in between, Ted Curson originally found some fame working with Charles Mingues in 1960. Jubilant Power, one of his finest recordings, was made 16 years later and has some of the type of inside/outside music that Curson made with Mingus. Curson is joined in a top-knotch sextet by baritonist Nick Brignola, altoist Chris Woods and either Andy LaVerne or Jim McNeely on piano and the result is adventurous hard-swinging music that clearly inspired all of the musicians. ~ Scott Yanow, AMG.


Slashing, dynamite exchanges, and an intense approach make this the Curson to grab. ~ Ron Wynn, AMG.


Inner City, IC 1017, 1976
Side A recorded 16th October, 1976 Live at Ethical Society in Rittenhouse Square, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Side B recorded 17th October, 1976 at Downtown Sound, New York City

Track Listing:
A1. Reava's Waltz {Ted Curson} (11:54)
A2. Ted's Tempo {Ted Curson} (8:54)
B1. Song Of The Lonely One [aka Ode To Booker Ervin] {Ted Curson} (7:33)
B2. Airi's Tune {Ted Curson} (6:15)
B3. Searching For The Blues {Ted Curson} (6:35)
B4. Marjo {Ted Curson} (5:41)

Personnel:
Ted Curson - Trumpet, Piccolo Trumpet, Flugelhorn, Cowbell
Chris Woods - Flute, Alto Saxophone
Nick Brignola - Saxcello, Baritone Saxophone
Andy LaVerne - Piano (Side A)
Jim McNeely - Piano (Side B)
David Friesen - Bass
Steve McCall - Drums (Side A)
Bob Merigliano - Drums (Side B)
Sam Jacobs - Conga

Ted Curson's Jubilant Power shows the modern jazz trumpeter in prime condition, very influenced by a stint with Charles Mingus, and exhorting his large ensemble to play music indicative of the title. This recording combines two live concert sessions from autumn of 1976 done on consecutive nights, the first in his native Philadelphia at Rittenhouse Square, and the second at Downtown Sound in New York City. Curson assembled a dynamic and exuberant band with the baritone saxophonist Nick Brignola and saxophonist/flutist Chris Woods, bassist David Friesen, conga player Sam Jacobs, an exchange of pianists and drummers for each night, and different compositions. Side A has two tunes from the Philly sessions with AACM drumkit juggernaut Steve McCall and pianist Andy LaVerne in tow, making for a presence that gives the band a forceful persona. The hot free bop "Reava's Waltz" showcases Curson's post Lee Morgan/Freddie Hubbard sound with an edge perfectly, especially during his solid solo as the horns chime in on occasion. "Ted's Tempo" is a modal to hard bop scorcher, fluent, risky, but built like a brick wall. The four tracks from Side B in N.Y.C. have Jim McNeely on the 88s and Bob Merigliano playing drums, offering a generally softer focus. The straight ballad "Marjo" borrows from "Sophisticated Lady," while the midtempo "Song of the Lonely" has Friesen's emotionally drenched bass saturating the quote-riddled trumpeter, who most specifically channels the changes of "What's New?." The upbeat numbers include a popping Latin chart "Airi's Tune" with a rich horn accord, while the definitive "Searchin' the Blues" is straight out of the Mingus bag with its delightfully entertaining, spontaneous, quirky speed-ups and settled slow-downs in the melody. Because Ted Curson produced far too few recordings, and because the band is excellent, this has to rank as one of his best efforts, his modern jazz still sounding vital and fresh. ~ Michael G. Nastos, Allmusic.com.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012

J.J. Johnson - J.J.!

This album is a 5 star gem.  Johnson figured out how to arrange and conduct a big band, while featuring himself as the star soloist.  Sounds a bit ego driven doesn't it, well who else but this master of jazz to pull it off?!?!  The band tear through bebop and hard bop tunes like no other.  Although Johnson's 'bone is the featured solo chair, we do infact hear from many other players.  The personnel reads like a who's who of bop, a real "dream band" if there was ever any.  Not a dud to be found in these 9 tracks.

Click For Personnel Details



I worked obsessively for hours on this to make it perfect, and to get it done for tonight.  I think the results speak for themselves, I was really happy with the final product.  My LP is a minty stereo RCA/Victor original, ripped at 24/44.1 wav and dithered to 16/44.1 FLAC.

RCA Victor – LSP-3350
1965
Recorded in Webster Hall, New York City.




Sunday, November 18, 2012

Various Artists - Chicago And All That Jazz!

This album is a real treat.  I have tagged it as Various Artists, but it's really the McKenzie-Condon Chicagoans with a couple member changes.  I have included the back cover which details the event, so I won't bother with too much info here.

The album itself is mint.  I have seen digital releases of this side, often under Condon or Teagarden's name.  For some reason they all exclude both Original Boogie and Original Rag.  You get those and a whole bunch of other great tracks on this one.  The material is both fresh and unpretentious.

Ripped at 24/44.1 wav and dithered to 16/44.1 FLAC...  Enjoy!!


Verve V8441
Recorded in NYC Oct 30/31, 1961



Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis and Harry "Sweets" Edison - Vol. 1

It's hard to discuss this album without gushing or sounding overbearing, but the truth of the matter is...it's a real cooker.  Recorded in Denmark, our two heroes enlisted Kenny Drew and his active trio for rhythm.  John Darville stopped by also, and cut two tracks; Lester Leaps In and Blues Walk with his trombone.  I wasn't familiar with bassist Hugo Rasmussen or drummer Svend Erik Norregard, but they affirm their skill along with Kenny Drew.


As mentioned, when the full band is playing for Lester Leaps In and Blues Walk, it's a thing of jazz beauty.  Darville brings the classic bop style 'bone to the session and it's clear that Jaws and Sweets are up for it.  I wasn't too sure about the treatment for Blues Walk, but once they are through you will want to hear it again.  Both leaders take a ballad each and deliver sublime performances.  The rest of this session is a relatively upbeat affair, on standard tunes.

There's something about Sweets that really grabs me on this set.  I can't put my finger on it, or really describe it without sounding ridiculous.  I will just chalk it up to the magic of music.  I just find it incredible how these musicians could stamp their souls onto the music, and have it touch someone all these years later.  In most cases, long after they have passed.

Not only is the music fantastic, but so is the fidelity of the recording.  I would rate it above average to be sure.  This copy is an original Storyville (SLP 4004) stereo pressing, in minty condition.  Ripped at 24/44.1 wav and dithered to 16/44.1 FLAC, to bring souls of old and present together...enjoy!!!

Harry Edison (tp);  Eddie Davis (ts);  *John Darville (tb);  Kenny Drew (p);
Hugo Rasmussen (b);  Svend Erik Norregard (d).

*only on Lester Leaps In and Blues Walk


Storyville SLP-4004
Recorded in Denmark, 1976

Monday, November 12, 2012

Ramsey Lewis Trio - Hang On Ramsey! (1966) [vinyl>flac]

Ramsey Emmanuel Lewis, Jr. (born May 27, 1935) began taking piano lessons at the age of four. At 15 he joined his first jazz band, The Cleffs. The seven-piece group provided Lewis his first involvement with jazz; he would later join Cleffs drummer Isaac "Redd" Holt and bassist Eldee Young to form the Ramsey Lewis Trio. The trio started as primarily a jazz unit and released their first album, Ramsey Lewis And The Gentlemen of Swing, in 1956. By 1966, Lewis was one of the nation’s most successful jazz pianists, topping the charts with The In Crowd, Hang On Sloopy, and Wade in the Water. Many of his recordings attracted a large non-jazz audience.


Considering that this album was an obvious follow-up to "The In Crowd," it is surprising that the music is not more commercial; that would happen in the near future. As it was, pianist Ramsey Lewis (assisted as usual by bassist Eldee Young and drummer Red Holt) had another big hit in "Hang on Sloopy," and the set (as with the previous one) was recorded at a club before an enthusiastic crowd. The enjoyable LP also includes a couple of Beatles tunes (their version of "A Hard Day's Night" caught on), "He's a Real Gone Guy," "Billy Boy," and "Hi-Heel Sneakers" among the highlights. This was the final full-length recording by the group before Young and Holt left to form their own band. ~ by Scott Yanow, Allmusic.com.

"Hang On Ramsey" is a live jazz club recording and the intimacy of this venue and the live audience add another dimension to the atmosphere of this LP. The music is funky and swingin' and is typical of the exciting sounds emanating from the era of Rock and Soul!

Cadet Records, LPS 761, 1966
Recorded 14th-17th October, 1965 Live In Concert at “The Lighthouse”, Hermosa Beach, California

Track Listing:
A1. A Hard Day's Night {John Lennon, Paul McCartney} (5:00)
A2. All My Love Belong To You {Sol Winkler, Teddy Powell} (4:20)
A3. He's A Real Gone Guy {Nellie Lutcher} (2:29)
A4. And I Love Her {John Lennon, Paul McCartney} (5:46)
A5. Movin' Easy {Ramsey Lewis} (3:00)
B1. Billy Boy / Hi-Heel Sneakers {Arr. Ramsey Lewis, Robert Higgenbotham} (9:11)
B2. The More I See You {Harry Warren, Mack Gordon} (5:17)
B3. Satin Doll {Duke Ellington, Johnny Mercer, Billy Strayhorn} (6:12)
B4. Hang On Sloopy {Bert Russell, Wes Farrell} (2:58)

Personnel:
Ramsey Lewis - Piano
Eldee Young - Bass
Red Holt - Drums

Saturday, November 10, 2012

Roots - Saying Something


Every now and again, one of our friends here will send me a share that gets buried in my inbox and forgotten but they always resurface once I get around to going thru emails. Obviously I am inferring that this is one of those; bluebird sent this nearly a month ago and I am just now getting around to it.

Roots is a saxophone ensemble that toured Europe each summer or much of the 90's. The band was lead by Nathan Davis and always featured at least 3 other killer saxophonist and a first class rhythm section. Each tour the band would focus on 2 or 3 sax masters and songs associated with them. Here the focus' are Wayne Shorter, Lester Young and John Coltrane and Dr. Davis is joined by Arthur Blythe, Benny Golson and Chico Freeman on the front line. The rhythm section is merely Kirk Lightsey, Buster Williams and Ed Thigpen.

The powerful 7 song live program is full of great moments and lovely songs; all done with plenty of room for folks to stretch out - now that bluebird has reminded me of them, perhaps some other recordings of this great band will be forthcoming.

Clifford Jordan - Inward Fire

I had to reload this for a different site and figured to give it a run here too. 
 
Clifford Jordan - Inward Fire
 Muse Records
 
A1. Inward Fire 06:44
A2. Abracadabra 06:43
A3. The Look 08:17
B1. Toy 06:21
B2. Buddy Bolden's Call 07:03
B3. Eat At Joe's 09:24


Recorded at CI Recording, NYC on April 5, 1977.

Clifford Jordan, tenor saxophone & flute
Dizzy Reese, trumpet
Pat Patrick, tenor saxophone & flute
Howard Johnson, tuba
Muhal Richard Abrams, piano
Richard Davis, bass
Azzedine Weston, congas
Louis Hayes, drums
Jimmy Ponder, guitar
Grover Everette, drums (A2 - B2)
Joe Lee Wilson, vocals (B2)
Donna Jewell Jordan, vocals (A2) 
 
Quite an unusual set for Clifford Jordan – a large group effort that stands in stark contrast to some of his smaller combo work of the time! The ensemble features an incredible array of respected avant and soul jazz players – including Pat Patrick, Muhal Richard Abrams, Dizzy Reese, Louis Hayes, and Jimmy Ponder – and a few tracks also feature vocals by singers Joe Lee Wilson, Donna Jewell Jordan, and Grover Everette. The tracks still have that wonderful Jordan deeply soulful sound forged on some of his work for Strata East – a vision that's complicated, but never cluttered – and which always comes across with swinging soul!
(Dusty Groove)

Thanks to onxidlib for the vinyl rip.

Sunday, November 4, 2012

Dizzy Gillespie - One Night In Washington

I bought this sealed so its mint.  The fidelity is really excellent but there is an issue with tracks 3 and 4.  A hum is audible during low signal output - this is from the recording believe it or not.  When I first heard it during playback, it sent me into a whirlwind looking at my turntable's configuration.

Aside from this, an excellent album which was recorded the night after Bird's passing.  News of his death wasn't released for 48 hours, and therefore nobody had a clue as to what occured.

Ripped at 24/44.1 wav and dithered to 16/44.1 FLAC... enjoy!!! 


Dizzy Gillespie was recruited as a special guest to perform on March 13, 1955, in concert with the Orchestra (a Washington, D.C., big band), a date that was recorded by Bill Potts and not initially released until 1983 by Elektra Musician. Although there was only a brief rehearsal of Gillespie with the band prior to their performance of the trumpeter's "The Afro Suite" (which includes "Manteca" plus a trio of pieces written in collaboration with Chico O'Farrill), they provide excellent support for this extended work, which features the composer extensively. Two pieces from the vast repertoire of Count Basie, "Hobnail Boogie" and "Wild Bill's Boogie," are enjoyable, though pianist Larry Eanet suffers from an inadequate microphone setup. Ed Dimond takes over the keyboard for an explosive Latin-flavored romp through "Caravan," though Gillespie obviously steals the show. The rather reserved small group rendition of "Tin Tin Deo" is curious but still of interest. The closer is bassist Tom McKay's swinging riff tune "Up 'N' Downs," which sounds like it could have easily been a part of Basie's songbook. One oddity about the concert is that Charlie Parker had died during the previous night, but this was not known to the musicians as his passing had not yet been announced. One of the more obscure recordings by Dizzy Gillespie, One Night in Washington is well worth acquiring. - Ken Dryden/AMG
Click For Personnel


Elektra Musician
Jazz Master's Edition - 60300
1983

Recorded At Club Kavakos, Washington DC
1955

Dave Burns - Warming Up!

Dave Burns is another one of those top flight players who was consistently overlooked by listeners, and grossly under recorded by the labels. Probably his biggest, and best known date, was on Art Taylor's Blue Note, A.T.'s Delight. Burns played as a member of the Al Grey/Billy Mitchell sextet and cut a couple albums on the Argo imprint with that group.

This outing is essentially a septet, but the core members are the same as the Grey/Mitchell group.
Although Mitchell and Grey make their presence
known on this side, there's no doubt it's under DB's leadership. He gets most of the shine as far as solo's are concerned, and two of his own compositions are used. Aside from this album, Burns cut another for Vanguard which makes this the follow up. There's no doubt in my mind that this is the best session to get to know Burns as an artist.

That said, this group was well experienced and at this point, ultra tight. All the players are at the top of their game and it"s evidenced in the loose and creative solos. Billy Mitchell in particular is a wild man, playing behind and on top of the beat, inside and outside...he's absolutely inspired.

This LP is absolute mint and of the highest fidelity. It's never seen a CD reissue. Ripped at 24/44.1 wav and dithered to 16/44.1 FLAC, you guys are sure to be entertained to the utmost. Enjoy!!!

Vanguard (VRS-9143)
1964

Dave Burns (tp);  Al Grey (tb);  Billy Mitchell (ts);  Herman Wright (bass fiddle);
Harold Mabern (p);  Bobby Hutcherson (vh);  Otis Finch (d);  *Willie Corea (tymboli)
* on Richie's Dilemma and Rigor Mortez only

1. Day By Day   2. Now Ain't It   3. I Can't Give You Anything But Love
4. Richie's Dilemma   5. Slippers   6. Warm Up   7. My Romance   8. Rigor Mortez

Thursday, November 1, 2012

Paul Gonsalves and His All Stars, Riviera/Barclay 1971, rec. Paris 1970 (vinyl>flac)

A vinyl rarity from Peter, who has provided the following information and review:

Paul Gonsalves and His All Stars (Riviera XCED 521 149  - also pressed by RCA London with the same catalogue number, but under Riviera's parent company, Barclay).

A1 - I Cover The Waterfront (Green, Heyman) 5:05
A2 - St  Louis Blues (WC Handy) 5:50
A3 - Alerado (Will Bill Davis, dedicated to Alexandre Rado) 3:25
A4 - Moon Love (Mack David, Mack Davis, Andre Kostelanetz) 4:50
 B1 - Midnight Strole (Anderson) 7:30
B2 - Blues for Marilee (Turney) 2:40
B3 - Sugar Loaf (Anderson) 3:00
B4 - Walkin' (Carpenter) 7:05

Paul Gonsalves, tenor sax
"Cat" Anderson, trumpet
Norris Turney, flute, alto sax
Will Bill Davis (as "Prince Woodyard"), organ
Joe Benjamin, bass
Art Taylor, drums.

Recorded Studio Hoche, Paris, 6 July 1970.

This one is not often seen. Never on CD, and only once on vinyl (Paris and London, 40 years ago).         
I doubt anyone would claim this is Paul Gonsalves' - or Cat Anderson's - best work technically speaking. It is from 1970, late in their respective careers, when the years and lifestyles had taken a toll. Apart from the yearning romanticism (with a few outbreaks) of "Waterfront" - Gonsalves' signature tune in his later years - this is not really the place for the smoothness of a Stan Getz, or a Ben Webster in more pacified mood.
However, the playing is adventurous and risk-taking, beyond what you might have expected. I have always liked WIlliam Alonzo Anderson's playing ... not necessarily first and foremost as a high-note specialist atop a famous orchestra at full blast.
And I have always liked Paul Gonsalves too. Again, not necessarily for a particular Newport marathon.
Responding to Gonsalves' lithe sound and impassioned input is a common reaction, it seems, so I hope this upload is popular.
As Humphrey Lyttleton once memorably put it (hardly as a criticism), "by this time Gonsalves' style was like a man sliding around on several banana skins". He certainly slithers, slides, breathes, flutters and is extravagantly expressive on this date - however inconsistent the attack may be in places, and even if he sits out two tracks and only joins the out chorus on another. He seems to get slightly bored playing close to the melody on "Moon Love" after a while, but his two salutes to France are witty and more pertinent on this Paris date than most saxophone quotes! 
Alexandre Rado's sleeve note makes most of the unexpected "modernism" on this date, in particular on "Walkin'" (which like "Waterfront", reprises a track from Gonsalves great session "Getting Together!" of a decade before). Justifiably enough. Norris Turney's enterprising "lateral" solo is indeed reminiscent of Eric Dolphy (perhaps surprising from an Ellingtonian) - in fact, it was this reference that first put me on to Dolphy.
But you could go further: the playing of all three horns throughout the date (even on superficially unpromising bossa nova and samba-ish rhythms) is fresh and inspiring, even if there may be some uneven playing, and brittleness in places. Cat Anderson is by no means just an epigone of Louis on "St Louis Blues", there are more daring elements even in that old warhorse (he reserves a more traditional approach, with Bubber-like muting for his original jaunty blues "Midnight Strole").

I have to admit that I have worked on the transfer. Not only that my LP had a lot of crackle, clicks and one big crack across it, but also insofar as I felt the recording was poorly balanced. In particular, the trumpeter was completely swamped by Will Bill Davis' organ on WC Handy's famous standard. If you like swamping by organs, please feel free to ramp up the right channel there. In other places too, left and right channels were poorly balanced (leading to a clash rather than a complement of instruments). My apologies, I did this for musical reasons. 

PS: I am not sure the plain text files download from the zip, for reasons I am unclear about. But it doesn't matter - just C and P the above, it's essentially the same!